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    friend of numbat
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    Numbat
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    Hey ‘friend of numbat’ – who are you? Are you really a friend of mine? How dare you use my name in vain! And my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father! Prepare to… no, sorry, wrong story… No, my name starts with a capital ‘N’! I will come out of my hollow log and lick you to death, just as I do with thousands of ants! (mmm… ants….)

    I see on the http://www.climb.org.au website that there are 11 routes in WA! In places that no one ever climbs! Amazing!

    ACA claim that they are “a new nation-wide organisation to support and further the interests of climbers”, and then list that they are in Queensland and NSW. That’s ‘national’?

    For Kalbarri it says “Description: There is nothing here yet (maybe because you haven’t been busy enough!).”

    I would swear at them, using symbol, of course, such as ‘#”<|< &0^’, but I’m not allowed to, as the CAWA people delete my posts when I do things like that! So instead I will write: ‘Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!’ (Or was it the other way around?)

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    Mark Weatherill
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    Thanks, Numbat, for showing some restraint 🙂

    I think it is a reasonably question to ask why CAWA would bother implementing an online guide when there are already several alternatives. Here are several reasons that come to mind:

    1) As evident from Numbat’s comments, there is quite a large divide between east and west coast climbing. Climbers from Sydney can easily access Queensland or Victoria but going west is going to take more than a weekend. Our isolation means that Thailand is just as accessible as Arapiles. In an Australia-wide guide, anything related to WA is going to be somewhat tacked on so the argument isn’t particularly compelling.

    2) Considering that guidebooks are one of the most effective mechanisms for promoting climbing, it would seem a very odd choice for the association to outsource our content. By controlling the publishing, we can simplify the pathway from online content to printed books, avoiding issues of copyright.

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    Adam Gibson
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    Hi Folks,

    So some background, I’m one of the key drivers behind the Australian Climbing Association Queensland and generally stay reasonably involved in a number of climbing access discussions.

    To be perfectly clear from the outset, I’d love to see WA content in the climb.org.au route database, both the existing CAWA information and material from any other sources.

    Mark raised the quite valid questions regarding the claim of ‘national’ representation in the about section of the climb.org.au site. This is effectively a historical artefact, the ACA as a national body is currently non-functional.

    However I’m a big believer in the value of a national network between state climbing bodies, although I don’t believe the model envisaged by the original ‘national’ ACA founders was sustainable however I still give them all due credit for their devotion, belief and hard work.

    As it stands the ACAQ is currently managing the climb.org.au website and as a body the ACAQ is going from strength to strength. I’ve been having some very preliminary discussions with Dena (along with the CCSA, VCC, SRC and others) about possible models for a national body, probably under a revamped ACA name.

    So Mark, I’d love to have some further discussions with you about the climb.org.au route database and I believe we should be able to work through any concerns you have about being merely an afterthought or with regards to CAWA’s ability to leverage its position off printed and/or online guide material. If you could, give me an email at adammichaelgibson@gmail.com and we can go through some details.

    -Adam Gibson.

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