Toc,
I fully agree that it is my responsibility for my safety when climbing and a gladly accept all this responsibility.
I will NEVER blame anyone else for any accidents i may have even if the bolt or cam i use might fail, i just don’t believe in it, it was my choice to use them.
I do however believe, purely from my own experience, that a debate works best by keeping the subject matter as simple as possible. I am pro-bolt but only where Trad can’t be used (love my cams).
I just wish we could join the rest of the world and do away with bloody carrots and hexes. I know of two separate people who have used these bolt types only to have the bolt plate come off with the draw attached! I can’t see how a fixed hanger or P-bolt would let this happen?
So thanks to everyone for my science/geology/physics lesson on bolts and rock, but I think simple works best. Just my opinion and i know many disagree, thats your opinion.
Wicked