thanks for that Toc
but if your gonna hand drill a bolt on lead its just as easy to place an expansion as a carrot..and i assume these guys arent drilling on lead, by hand in the quarries?
I’m all for supporting the subversive, but all they are subverting is a huge body of accumulated wisdom as regards placing the best possible permanent anchors. i know and climb with some very ‘out there’ climbing characters who are active new routers in every domain of climbing ice, big peaks, boulders, crags, big walls and they make huge statements of individuality with the lines they choose, how they dress, what they enjoy, their views on all sorts of issues, their relationships but none EVER would place a carrot bolt
why not.. cause its just stupid
make a statement by all means, a well chosen route name often does just that, but carrot bolting just makes a statement about poor judgement