what gear?

Awesome does that mean if i do Urban Ethics putting all the bolt plates + draws on i can claim it as a 23 on my 8a.nu profile?

hi im a new climber to the sport and am just learning to lead. im reading this post and am a little confused on the grading system. i thought that a climb’s grade is fixed and for any ascent. it seems here that the climb is being graded differently because you have to place those annoying bolt plate thingies. is this standard? does that mean that trad routes get an extra grade or two because you have to place gear? or is that already built into the grade? im a bit baffled and embarrassed….

Hi, “confused”. Oz grade reflects the total difficulty of the route, so yeah, if the thing was trad, it maybe would be harder, depends on clip stances, and carrots are harder to deal with than rings.

Maybe the worst person to grade a climb is the one who cleaned it and bolted it, so pls give Matt your feedback, don’t be shy. It is not disrespectful to give feedback, it is essential.

In practice, the grades are not for onsight or redpoint or whatever, regardless of how the system was invented, as most people don’t care. You just have to use more words to describe the difficulty, like “24 onsight” or “24 after 10 attempts”. Discussions of +/-1 grade (which is all the differenceu usually) are futile, the system is not that accurate and personal attributes make all the diff….

I am a foot taller than Logan but with half the grip! so…

At the end of day the grade is there just to steer people to a climb they want to be on (ans is just one factor).

I agree.