forgot to ask if you are kind enough to give me a list can you please let me know what brand I should buy what is best etc and the other one was what are the best quickdraws to buy ? where from ? and how many and what size ?

thanks

Shane,

Do the rounds, ask LOTS of questions and decide for yourself. Mainpeak, Paddy’s, MD’s all have specialist climbers happy to help. Each store will tell you their gear is the best but gear is a personal thing. As long as it is rated and certified buy what YOU like and feel comfy with.

Wild Country, BlackDiamond, HB, Petzl etc etc are all bloody good brands with great reputations. Its a Ford V Holden thing….all do the same thing its just personal preference.

wicked

….and dont let anyone convince you Wild Country friends are good. they have a very limited range and tend to get stuck.

If anyone disagrees with this its only because they bought them while they were solid-stem friends and still own them. oh and theyre probably 40 years old and reckon churchmans is a “great crag”

and those chain link cams – fuggedit

nice one ross

nope shane, WILD COUNTRY (not BIG COUNTRY) made the first cams, called ‘friends’. a cam like BD camalot is not a copy as it has a double-axle design that is responsible for it’s increased range. Just take the tip man – BD

Everyone forgot to mention other things you’ll need if you climb around Perth:

Machete for the bush bash approach hike;

X-ray vision goggles to help you find the carrot bolts disguised against grey granite; and

Large scary dog to leave at the car in order to dissuade local thieves.

But on a serious note- this is a sport where you can get killed if you screw up- so I repeat the previous poster who suggested that you ask lots of questions and go out climbing with different people before you head out by yourself.

Adventure Out runs a good course that covers the basics of gear usage. That way you can try different types of nuts/cams etc. and figure out what you like best before investing.

Stay safe out there . . . .

Trad Man

Maybe Wild Country get stuck when you use them. User error I suspect!

I like Holden, must mean you are a ford man!

I think Churchies is a great crag and anyone who pays out on Perths first and most pioneered crag is up themselves and is a ground fall waiting to happen.

When did climbing become “if you climb there you’re not cool” ??? Here I was thinking climbing was just plain cool, period. Grade 5, grade 25, ice, mountain, aid, sport, trad, bouldering – who gives a toss? Stop being a tool and just get out there and climb!

2 cents

ok, got my very first complete rack…

1 set of Wild Country numbers 1 – 14 (rock) nuts.

got myself 20m 11mm static rope

now for the advise please tell me which is the better to buy????? black diamond or Big Country Cams ?????

I am going to get a fuill set of them so please let me know anything you experts out there would like to tell me.

thanks.

Hi Shane,

I’m planning on going out to a crag Saturday afternoon, probably not Churchman’s as I expect it will be weeping water. I’ll have someone with me who will also be top roping, and I have a comprehensive and eclectic rack, just in case you want to have a look at some of the possibilities. What ever you start off with will be expanded.

By the way a full set of cams is a lot as well as a lot off money. Having said that my rack of cams, (13 in all) is not enough and will be added to, but not from one single manufacturer, nor do they all get carried at once. My first rack was mixed and numbered 7 cams, with 14 wires and 4 hexes, (I can hear the hissing now), but I had a lot of fun and a few falls. Still do. Enjoy. Climbing is a big world with lots of different ways of enjoying it. You’ll work it out.

Cheers,

Toc. 0438 915 902

Churchmans rocks man. Gp there find anything under 15 and go clean up what the REAL TRAD MEN leave behind because they are going out there to CLIMB…….

Anyways means you can a rack real fast and cheap with a variation of cams and wire just to solve the indecicive issues….

Happy hunting.