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    Logan

      Whats the deal with the people that went missing up in Kalbarri monday night? The ranger said it was two climbers and i thought i heard one of the SES guys shouting conrads name on monday morning. Any goss?

      #4858 Reply
      Richard

        Information from NH is that there was a search on Mon after three climbers overnighted in the gorge. They walked out the next on Mon morning without incident.

        #4859 Reply
        Marianne

          I’m still not entirely clear whether the three climbers were us! We registered the car with CALM, told them we were camping for a night, (they appeared relaxed about the whole deal) and found a great spot near Nature’s Window – really protected and soft sand. I was having a wonderful deep sleep – didn’t sleep well the night before having been awakened at about 2am by revellers back in Tudor caravan park. Then I was again awakened about 2am by the sound of my name ricocheting around the gorge. By the time we had got dressed to find out what was going on, whoever was yelling had disappeared. A surreal experience. And an interesting coincidence that one of the lost climbers would share my name! We stopped to check in on the way out, and the guy said someone had been lost, but didn’t clarify..

          ps watching the sunrise from Nature’s Window is very very beautiful

          #4860 Reply
          Neil Humphries

            The Climbers are all acounted for safe and well, after being benighted in the Kalbarri Gorge.

            If there is anything constructive to note going forward from this incident is the “Risk Management Plan” i.e. the piece of paper bandished before climbers venturing off to the gorge, it should have more of a ‘plan’ in it’s substance rather than being just an advisory note- which is about as common as a disclamer note found when purchasing climbing gear.

            I shall be submitting to the CAWA committee what I believe should be added into the “risk mgt plan” for Kalbarri, with recomendations for possible actions(there were no action included in the plan) which would be advisable if things do not go as planned.

            But no matter whatever myself or anyone else writes there can be no subsitution for common sense. Something which was seriously lacking last Sunday evening in Kalbarri Gorge. I do hope the climbers concerned recognise the folly of thier poor judgement.

            #4861 Reply
            CS

              This is just general advice, and should not be forwarded or referred to in correspondence with others. This is just to allay any concerns that people may have. A more detailed report will be given to the CAWA committee for record purposes.

              I was in the party of three, that without incident, returned from the gorge at Kalbarri.

              We had made particular plans and times to leave the gorge via Four-ways on Sunday afternoon. We had given notice of our plans for leaving the Z-bend gorge to others.

              Our plans were required to be revised, but no radio or mobile phone signal could be used, despite an elevated position.

              During our return the night had set in, which was no serious problem, as we had maps, a compass, headlamps, plenty of food, water, firt aid kits, warm clothes and capacity to make a fire if necessary. We ended up choosing to bivvy in the gorge, and return to the Z-bend carpark when light (as this was our safest option to avoid a real incident occuring due to fatigue or some other factor – e.g. poor light).

              We followed through with this plan and returned without any problems. We met and spoke with DEC, SES and Police at the Z-Bend lookout at which point everything was quickly explained, and everyone more or less returned to making the most of a public holiday Monday.

              Ultimately the initial concern is understood, but it is clear that climbers are generally self sufficient and that emergency services should only be contacted if a known incident requiring their assistance is required (something that was advised to the people who made the initial contact to emergency services).

              A known incident may include such things as a known injury, or climbers not returning the following day (if having an epic or being ‘be-nighted’ as some call it). Although it was ackowledged (by those who called the services) that ultimately there was more than adequate experience in the group of climbers, a call was made that ‘a group was missing’, and therefore the police are required to follow their formal procedure for such things.

              Generally it is understood that epics and be-nightings happen, and recommended that other climbers should allow enough time (as much as 24 hours?) for people to return. There is also potential for climbers to undertake some initial investigation if really warranted. Ultimately no-one wants to waste the valuable time of emergency services.

              Hopefully there are some lessons out there.

              #4862 Reply
              hungry rabbit

                surely there must be a carrot in this story somewhere ????

                #4863 Reply
                Logan

                  I would say that for experienced climbers with gear then 48 hours is about the amount of time to wait if they had originally given a definite time of return. I have been 24 hours late from hikes before and in the bugaboos was 48 hours late back from a climb with lawrance. I would have been bummed if i had have had rescue people turning up ruining an epic that all climbers deep down love in a wierd kind of way.

                  In Kalbarri they obviously have a good system in place to operate quickly but that system should not go into effect for an amount of time depending on the peoples experience who have gone missing.

                  Anyway, better safe than sorry!

                  #4864 Reply
                  CS

                    Totally agree, Logan. The level of concern and time for response should reflect experience (i.e. directly proportional, the more experienced, the more time that can probably be safely allowed).

                    Epics are not a bad thing in most cases, just adds to experience.

                    #4865 Reply
                    Neil Humphries

                      If I can not comment on the exactitudes of Conrad’s relation of events. I suppose I could note the tone in which they are expressed- with little or no real appreciation for the effort expended upon thier epic.

                      Upon arriving at the car park (early to maximise our morning out) we spoke with the Ranger at around 8am (1.15hrs after sunrise) and upon the relation of what he understood the situation to be, he asked our party of 3 to please assist the search party.

                      Considering the ‘lost’ (lost-according to what information was presented at the time) party had not return to their car, and considering the experience of the group this suggested a serious element might be in existance.

                      I have been assisted twice now and have greatly appreciated this as it helped me out of consequences to which end I do not know what could have transpired had I not recieved help. We had no hesitation in assisting where we could, on what information we had.

                      #4866 Reply
                      CS

                        Hi all,

                        Everyone can appreciate that efforts are given at times. I am obviously included in this giver of appreciation.

                        All that was remaining as a question was whether the effort was needed within such a relatively short time since the party was last seen. Certainly everyone in the party involved all times knew that they were not “lost” or in need of being “found”, and obviously since walking out under their own steam gives evidence that additional assistance was not essential either.

                        This was evidenced by the several joking comments from various people about claiming to ‘find’ the group/party first (as the group walked past).

                        The thoughts and actions of anyone involved are appreciated, but the actions could have safely be managed to be used with a bit more allowance for reasonable time to resolve any perceived situation without having to trouble people unduly.

                        That I think is the main message here. There is no need to interpret / imply a tone for any practical purpose or value.

                        All is well in the end.

                        #4867 Reply
                        Marianne

                          Ahh, the mystery is solved…glad everything worked out in the end. Looks like everyone tried to sort the situation out as best they could under the circumstances… Though the fact that it was my name people were yelling at Nature´s Window was an interesting twist 🙂

                          #4868 Reply
                          Shane

                            It is always difficult to comment on events when you weren’t present at the time but some of the views expressed in this thread require a response. I have read Conrad’s account of the events and so my comments at least have the benefit of being based on one eyewitness account.

                            I can understand if people feel embarrassed at having a search launched on their behalf. However, this should not reflect on the people who reported the party missing, because they did nothing wrong. Conrad states that a ‘known incident’ be required before emergency services are contacted. Well, there was one. People were overdue and missing. That is an incident.

                            The suggestion that a grace of 24 hours be allowed is also erroneous. Being a day overdue from a fortnight’s hiking is one thing, but to wait 24 hours after what was supposed to be an hour and a half walk is simply unreasonable. Being a former member of the SES and being trained in search techniques, the longer it is before the emergency services are called, the greater the chances of an adverse outcome. Unfortunately, I have been on more than one search that ended with the worst possible result. I also understand how long it takes to put a search or rescue together. Inordinate delays in reporting an incident only escalates this problem. On this occasion the SES wasn’t called until the early hours of the morning and after some searching was already carried out. This doesn’t indicate that anyone over-reacted, but was exactly the correct call. Calling the police and SES that night allowed them to prepare for a search at dawn. Remember, nobody at this stage had any idea why an experienced party had failed to return.

                            Instead of outdoors experience being a reason to delay a search, it should be just as much of a concern because experienced people should be less likely to be miscalculate the walk.

                            No one should ever be discouraged from calling for help. SES volunteers are never disappointed or upset to find fit and healthy people walk out by themselves.

                            Shane Chalwell

                            CAWA Safety Officer

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