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    Graeme
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    Was at MQ on Sunday , there was a big crowd of Adventure Out clients there I don’t object to sharing climbs but come on do they need to leave 6 ropes set-up all day the only wall they didn’t take up was Skywalker , when i tried talking to one of the staff I got asked in a Rude manner “had I booked” ,To Adventure Out you don’t own MQ we all share the place,I know that the majority of AO staff are great people and there are going to be bad attitude people in every company a little respect and common courtesy by all would go a long way .

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    Numbat
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    Although I hate to say it, if AO had booked and you hadn’t, then they had the right to complain about you and not you about them.

    If the DEC ranger had turned up, he would have kicked you out, not them.

    You are quite right in writing that AO does not own the quarry, but having booked gives them the right to be there.

    All you need to do is spend 20 cents and 1 minute making a phone-call to DEC to book. Then you too would have the right to be there and, if AO were being a nuisance, to complain to DEC. Also in making the phone call, you would have found out if there was a large group there and could have made alternative arrangements, like go to Stathams.

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    Richard
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    It’s disturbing to see growing support for the commercialisation of outdoor climbing. Where organisations making money out of our environment can mass book and displace climbers. Barriers to entry are growing for individuals and for climbing clubs. Should legislation incorporate the Adventure Activity Standards and requirements for insurance and registration be made more stringent individual participation will decline. In time “the industry”, as OutdoorsWA calls the commercial companies it represents, will own the outdoors.

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    Ross
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    WARNING: my rant is coming up…..

    Richard I think the increased regulation is just an inevitable consequence of population increase. I mean if there are few users on some obscure crag, there is no conflict and no need to regulate. In high rent areas such as MQ, the converse applies. Regulation is intended to avoid conflict, not generate it.

    Around Perth commercial abseiling is not allowed at Churchmans, Boya is too chossy, other locations too small, so they have 2 options: Statham and MQ. I have myself got into climbing through going abseiling commercially (twice) so would not diss it…it is many peoples first intro to ropes and heights and I am sure may people take up climbing as a result.

    As for priorities, the commercial operators I have dealt with always respond well to a smile and a polite request, whereas aggression creates the same. With a bit of checking via the DEC booking office, they are easy to avoid.

    As far as “Outdoors WA” goes, CAWA has ensured through much lobbying and sitting on bums in meetings, that the OWA generated regulation DOES NOT apply to individual climbers. They had an inclination to go that way initially but this was successfully done away with.

    Bureaucracy is here to stay. This is why CAWA is critical to WA climbing, regardless what any individual may think of it. As was proven at Wallcliffe, Canning Dam and elsewhere, regulators do not negotiate with individuals.

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