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    Emil

      It seems the glue-on hold on ‘To bolt or not to be’ has enjoyed an ethical amnesty for many years. Following a moral “relaxation” in this area, an obscure route above the main area sports a glue-on undercling and reinforced (with glued in pebbles) footer.

      WTF over?

      #2577 Reply
      Logan

        I totally agree with you Emil. The glued on holds at Mt Randal are an atrocity. Real Perth outdoor climbs should be a protected species. It is on the verge of extinction through glueing and chipping. Quarries are like gyms so it doesnt matter there but to see it on the little natural rock we do have makes me cry:)

        #2578 Reply
        Logan

          P.S. Are you coming down south this weekend

          #2579 Reply
          Neil

            Yeah the glue on holds on ‘to bolt or not to be’ are pretty vulgar. the glued on undercling has been on the obscure route for years and years.

            These are some of the more obvious examples, although there are lots lots more perth natural climbs that have been enhanced… *cough*.

            #2580 Reply
            Mark

              I agree with Emil’s final remark…WTF??

              Having climbed at Mt Randall recently, I too was appalled at the lack of respect for other climbers with a disgusting display of chipping, gluing and bolting. “To bolt or not to be” 24 – Mt Randall is a prime example. If the chip has been glued on post FA… I can only shake my head in disgust. If it was placed by the FA, I again hang my head.

              Surely as climbers in Perth we can distinguish between a “Quarry” climb where chipping and gluing on holds is tolerated (not that I agree with this practice but that is a totally separate discussion) and a natural area like Mt Randall.

              We need to respect what natural rock we have in Perth. It may be small, it may not be the best quality, but there are some quality routes and there are still several more quality lines to go at numerous “natural” crags.

              New routers and experienced climbers need to be creating a culture for current and future climbers where chipping, gluing and using carrots :o), is simply “not done around here”.

              I finish with a modification to the old saying… “It’s not the climb that needs the glued on hold, it’s the climber”. There will always be someone in the future that is stronger, taller, shorter, more flexible, has smaller fingers, bigger hands, better shoes, smaller cams, larger cams… that will result in the climb going without modification. So leave it to them.

              So on the day that you decide to chip or glue on the hold remind yourself, that you are only bringing a pile of small grains of sand and pebbles that was fused from volcanoes and sediment being laid down under the sea to your level. Get over yourselves, take a dent in your ego and admit that on the day the rock beat you. But please don’t bring the rock to your current level of climbing because for those of us out there that are stronger, taller, shorter, more flexible, have smaller fingers, have bigger hands, better shoes, smaller cams, larger cams it ruins the experience.

              Back to you…

              #2581 Reply
              Emil

                Sage words Mark.

                You are a naughty boy though, bringing that ‘carrot’ polemic into my thread. Just watch that one blossom….

                #2582 Reply
                Matt Rosser

                  On the day that Ron glued the pebble onto `to bolt or not to be’ I was on a line nearby. In my minds eye I still see Ron hanging in harness above (we all looked up to Ron), glue dripping, clearly explaining to the small group assembled below that it was all OK as the pebble was replacing a crystal that had recently broken off and that the rock was being restored to its proper state. This was only a short time after the route had been climbed.

                  #2583 Reply
                  Ethical Ombudsman

                    That’s a pretty funny terminology “restoring nature to its natural state”…..very convenient and self serving isn’t it? I wonder how Ron Master explains the massive hand hold he drilled into the start of “Ethical Meltdown” at Shart Rock? Perhaps there was a flake there but it broke off so he had to drill in a hold ….

                    What I want to see is not good reasons (for frigging with boulders), but good results (i.e. unfrigged climbs). How we get there I care not. By the way anybody commenting on this string is free to go and fix things they do not like of course….I do.

                    #2584 Reply
                    Neil

                      Shark rock wouldn’t amount to much if it hadn’t been blown in half…

                      #2585 Reply
                      Matt Rosser

                        I don’t know who broke the key starting flake off Ethical Meltdown but it was someone with a sense of humour as the spot where it once resided was marked with `oops’ painted in white paint.

                        I was present when Ron added the drilled finger pocket and assisted the process – the boulder had previously been significantly drilled, blasted and quarried during the period when the nearby quarry was operating. The shock may have been too great for some and sadly Ron soon faded from Perth climbing, though I am not sure it the events are linked.

                        I haven’t been to the area for some time but would be surprised to know if a massive hand hold has been added to the line I am only aware of the above.

                        #2586 Reply
                        gerard chipper

                          To Matt rosser. With regards to ethical meltdown. I was out there with some others and as far as the first hold on ethical meltdown goes. “well”, we gave it a bit of a pull as climbers do, and off it came. Definately a sense of humour was involved in the adding of “oops”. We had a good time, and Jonesy almost(by a hair) missed out on getting the project next to slab of despair. I got my ass kicked on slab of despair, and Ron Master was still the slab master in my books. Everyone should lighten up a bit and take a look at the big slabs of bitumen ploughed through the forrest that we motor along with our environmentally concious internal combustion vehicle. Some of those little animals we have deprived of homes through our road building and land clearing might even like some of those convenient drilled pockets out there.

                          P.S. a grain of salt comes to mind. Gerard

                          #2587 Reply
                          Ronald Master

                            It was myself and my farther that put the climb up. For your information the hold in question was ripped of after the first ascent, which made the climb almost impossible, so we replaced it. All this aside, if you do not like it, don’t climb it or don’t use the hold! AS for trad climbers a dying breed, well you obviously don’t get out enough!

                            #2588 Reply
                            Emil

                              Hey Ronald, thanks for your reply.

                              While i accept that there are many climbs in WA that have “reinforced” existing holds, i think that gluing different holds onto climbs is a different story. That visit being my first time to Mt Randall, and having heard that the climb in question was a classic, i was suprised it had a glued-on chip on it. I guess it says to me that this is acceptable on “natural” crags (ie not quarries, incl shark rock), which i dont believe it is. if the crux hold falls off a route, well then the route becomes harder, not so?

                              Please do not think i am trying to reach back into the past and start a smear campaign. I was genuinely aghast at 2 routes at the same crag sporting obviously imported holds. In many places i have climbed, a lynching would follow such practices.

                              #2589 Reply
                              Ronald Master

                                I have not climbed there for many years so I did not know that there was another climb with glued holds (unless my memory is failng). Glueing holds is not a normal practice, however we did not see why we could not replace it when it was so critical to the climb, you could argue either way. I guess I am just lucky to not have to worry about it and get to climb some of the best rock in the state any time I like. The climbing in Albany is fantastic!

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