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I think Di’s idea of organising a meeting is a fantastic idea, just let me know and i’ll be there….anyone…
thanks Di, thats a kind invitation
Hi George-
Send me an email and we’ll figure out when you’re going to be up in Perth, then we’ll go from there. Anyone else interested in sitting down together to discuss our plan let me know too- darnottatfnas.uwa.edu.au
Hi all-
I’m looking at Wednesday 14th June 7pm (yes next week) to get everyone together- how does that suit- I’ve got a meeting room at UWA organised.
Anyone interested should attend, but especially someone from CAWA with background in bolting, people such as George, Roo, Kris, Rod, Kim, Jay, anyone else interested.
What we need to sort out (I’m sure more will come up):
How we collect $$ to pay for this;
Who is going to do the work, and on which climbs;
What kind of bolts/glue to use;
Where to start!
Please let me know if you can make it on Wednesday- darnott(at)fnas.uwa.edu.au. If this looks like it’s going to be a bad time then we will reschedule!!
Hi Di,
Minor problem of a major maths exam next day, but I will try and make it, but as myself, not CAWA president. Bolts and rebolting definitely have been discussed by the committee but most of the committee’s energy has gone into the “whether we were going to be allowed to continue to climb at all” issue of late. Nor has anything else CAWA is involved in gone away.
As for CAWA not being interested, some of the people involving themselves in this are not CAWA members. Some are. If all were, then hey there’d be a whole bunch of CAWA members involved. Frankly, I’m happy to see any involvement by any climbers, members or not, in any issue.
Can I point out, this discussion took place on the CAWA website but nobody notices air, until there is none left and CAWA is even less noticeable than air until it’s needed. If the CAWA website is being used for the good of climbing, well that’s exactly what it’s for. It is just a little bit galling to have it suggested we’re not doing anything when we have willingly provided the forum for it to be said. As for official involvement, I wouldn’t expect a climbing association anywhere in Australia, to be publicly involved in rebolting or bolting exactly because of the liability fears and at $40.00 per year a membership, there’s not a lot of “let’s rebolt everything around” money about. This is the reason for the existence of “bolting fairies”. Systems that work, just plain do. And if systems that work have to be unofficial, so be it. Bad things do occasionally happen and some of the people who unfortunately get damaged will look around for some body to nail. Bolting fairies are too ephemeral to be nailed, that’s why we like them. My two cents worth anyway.
Cheers.
Hi di, definately won’t be coming up to perth until after exams 20th june, but a date after that would be better for me. I will also be dropping of collection tins to the stores that have shown positive support, so a meeting before i do that would be great.
cheers G
Di
Love to come but not available on the day you suggest. Later in the month could be a go.
Hi all-
It looks like this Wednesday is not going to work to sit down and hash out the rebolting initiative- so how is the first week in July for everyone who is interested?
darnott(at)fnas.uwa.edu.au
Thanks!
i like machine bolts (am i showing my age here?) even thou it scares the shit out me , its like placing gear. (life wasnt meant to be easy) im not going to jump on me high horse and say whatever was in the rock should be replaced with new gear as that could include pitons , slings and other fixed gear. but i suppose thats yet another kettle of fish. Good on ya George for getting the debate going (again) i sure it will lead to a safer climbing enviroment, whatever that means – Fear is Fun. dodgy bolts must go.
Does anybody know the email/contacts for Shane Richardson??
Hello…is there anybody out there???, i can’t believe there are only 10 or so climbers out there that have something to contribute or even at the very least something to say!!
George you forgot the first rule of rebolting – 10 people comment before the work starts, the other 10,000 prefer to moan about the work after its done.
True Rod!
At least they can’t say they did have the chance!
Probably because talking about bolting is like accountancy or tax, no one really wants to get stuck in but they have to in the end (usually at the last minute).
Clearly John!
but I managed to bring you out of the woodwork 🙂
Any input??
Routes in Perth that have manky bolts?there has to be more than one?
Hehe, I know what it’s like to be passionate about something only to have the rest of the board have about as much enthusiasm as a three-toad sloth with chronic fatigue syndrome! 😉
I hold issue with some slabby climbs where it’s one bolt on a long face that accounts for no real protection, particularly a climb at the front of Toodyay boulders. Perhaps a wiki page (less to manage) where you can report yucky bolts. And I know if there were a paypal account or something of similar ilk where i could give fifty bucks to a bolting fund, I would (but I’m not prepared to argue over those points).
It’s just that after 4 years of climbing, and almost as many on this board, bolting arguments just give me a headache, so I prefer to put effort in other places. However, I fully respect and support people who are willing to put in the hard yards with this subject, so maximum respect from me companeiro. 🙂
Where do I sign up? I think the rebolting is a great idea. I work not far from the adventure stores in Perth so if you want a hand asking round for some help or dealing with the donation tins, I don’t mind. But I doubt if you would get any sort of sponsorship because of the whole liability thing.
I have no experience when it comes to bolting but I’m always happy to help if needed. Especially if it means not having to work around the house on the weekends!
George
One of the most important points is the pemission of the first
ascentionist.
Secondly is this a rebolt,bolt for bolt or are people looking to bolt runout routes with extra protection.
I dont believe any exrta bolts should be added ever unless the first ascentionist gives permission.
Cheers John, please explain what a wiki page is (im obviously not up with the lingo). If its bad!, report it in the perth section of the re-bolting forum.In the process of working out how funds can be donated. The tins are ready to go and i will hopefully be dropping them of when im up in Perth (6th/7th july for a meeting with whoevers interested in contributing), but as for an account, i’ll keep you posted.
Ben, great to hear your keen to contribute, haven’t got the tins out there yet!, but im sure it will be a real benefit (especially for me, as i live in margies)if someone is able to keep track of any fund generated through them. Hopeing to have a meeting on the 6th/7th of July, so it would be good to see you there. being passionate about climbing is the only pre-requisite :)cheers
Kim
As i have already mentioned this a RE-BOLTING fund and I am well aware of ethic behind this!.
I have also made it clear that there will be absolutely no retro-bolting, unless the first ascentionist has given their permission and even then it should be posted on this forum to see what others feel!:)
The opinions of others are theirs only and do not represent me and what im trying initiative.
So please understand that i want this to be done right:)
DONATIONS NEEDED:
*FUNDS- Cash- bring it along to the meeting on the 6th or give it to someone who is :)- we will compile a list of who the funds came from and where they were spent. Also drop some cash in the donation tins that will be installed in a gear store near you!:)
* Static Rope- we are in urgent need of some static rope that can be used when bolting. old ropes are fine (within reason!), as long as they are in ok condition and are off a decent length (10m+)- just so we don’t trash our own climbing ropes!
Bolts- Any bolts that you are willing to donate will be gratciously received(except for carrots 🙂
Glue- We will be using the Hilti HY 150- any spare?, then drop it in
Nozzles- We will be needing plenty- to fit HY150
Drill bits- Mainly 12mm SDS bits, at least 100mm in length. 10mm bits will be useful as well:)
Any other useful equipment-ie. we need a harness or two, that can be used solely for re-bolting(one that is going to get glue all over it!. Which will be kept in the pool of equipment that can be used by others with the appropriate experience. Blow tubes, pipe brush etc.
WE NEED YOUR HELP TO GET THIS STARTED!
Good effort George,
Its brilliant to see someone making the effort and taking time from paid work to volunteer and undertake such a mammoth job. As long as there is no retrobolting etc etc, which you have expressed afew times in this post that there wont be, then It is a fantastic effort, that will ensure safe climbing for all in the future.
Pat
i’ve have 2 60m static ropes to give away and plenty of steal biners, who wants them?
Are the 2 ropes for WA bolting fund people. or people generally bolting new routes? If it is the latter would be keen to take 1. jeppetto80@hotmail.com
Oh sure Mr Anon I’ll send you a new rope to your email address – NOT! Say arent you the guy who i get all those emails from after my bank account details? Ropes, money, sheesh what will you be after next?
i’ll donate the ropes and steelies to the bolting fund!
Elliot and Peter that is a fantastic offer and that equipment could definately be put to good use!. As i have said before the equipment will be available for those with the right experience and for the purpose of re-bolting only. I haven’t spent this much time gathering interest, support and approval, for people like anon(i hate anonymous posters :()to get some free gear. So if you have some equipment (thankyou peter and elliot) then you can see me at the meeting or arrange for me to meet up with you. Email-gdfirth@hotmail.com, please keep the donations coming!:)
